Curse

Loviatar · Mar 25, 2008, 05:33 PM // 17:33

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Originally Posted by Fril Estelin

A question for the experienced people (venterans and knowledgeable power-traders/GW economists):

I see so many people saying "remove LS so that we can farm again" than this simple fact makes me wonder if LS is actually protecting "us" (the non-l33t people) from even more madness on "high-end items", and the possible this would have on the rest of the economy (when people get this unbelieavable amount of money, they can buy "non-high-end" stuff so easily that it can impact "us"). I'm very tempted so say no because of that, but it's difficult to find the truth in the middle of this mess

. (hallomik, pull me to the dark side

)

veteran non power farmer/trader since early beta

tons of farming gold was flooding the economy causing massive inflation.

examples in real experience

1. superior absorb locked at 100k
2. superior vigor a bargain at 75k major vigor which i bought a bargain at 35k minor vigor 15k up.

equiping a 55 was a 299k-260k investment with that -50 offhand a bargain at 50k and up

all minor runes 3k-8k majors same mark up

i sold black dyes for 27.5K each not a set

so i do not want those super hardcore farmer loving days back.

Anet tracks the entire playerbase not a tiny elite site splinter.

i am casual and play for fun not gold.

every time Anet fixed an exploit or made some items cheaper and easier to get you could read the screams of im gonna be pooorrr now from the farmers.

i started enjoying the new shineys Anet just gave me at the expense of the elite i have it you dond i win players

ogre_jd · Mar 25, 2008, 06:44 PM // 18:44

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Originally Posted by Willow O Whisper

= 100 hours if you wan't a set of fow.....

So, a month of regular play, at most, for those for whom GW is their main recreational activity. A bit longer, of course, for those who only play an hour or two a night and maybe 3 hours on their days off. Where's the problem?

And, Ork Pride, if you consider actually playing through the storyline to be a grindfest, perhaps you should switch to a different game - one, like WoW, that doesn't have a story.

Lest121 · Mar 25, 2008, 06:49 PM // 18:49

Just like to point out something for those who cry the casual can't make Money
Started in March

Since all the Crying about LS and how a Casual gamer can't make money and blah blah blah, I started a small experiment with my final Pve character, so far I have gotten 45k from just playing the game, I am up to Nundu Bay in NF, I haven't touch a single Quest in the other games, and I didn't take Mats out of my Storage to buy my max armor, only reason why I haven't continued my little test i am also going for Survivor, so far my test shows even a casual players can get 15k armor with out grind......... the game rewards gamers that play regular without farming GRIND, all this crying is funny to me because i like LS.

mr_groovy · Mar 25, 2008, 07:05 PM // 19:05

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Originally Posted by underverse_ninja

Just like to point out something for those who cry the casual can't make Money
Started in March

Since all the Crying about LS and how a Casual gamer can't make money and blah blah blah, I started a small experiment with my final Pve character, so far I have gotten 45k from just playing the game, I am up to Nundu Bay in NF, I haven't touch a single Quest in the other games, and I didn't take Mats out of my Storage to buy my max armor, only reason why I haven't continued my little test i am also going for Survivor, so far my test shows even a casual players can get 15k armor with out grind......... the game rewards gamers that play regular without farming GRIND, all this crying is funny to me because i like LS.

So your telling me that if I want to get money in this game I should play the game? Ok tell me if you have all the titles you ever wanted, did all the quests you could do, and already did all the missions with your char. How do you earn money with that char? Do everyhing over again just for the sake of making money through playing the game?

Should one play elite-missions over again, and again and again?

What will happen to the market in a couple of months? When all the prices of all the new and shiney weapons are at mediocre lvl? How does one make enough money then? Perhaps you can sell your req 9 fully decked rare skin for 5k. Perhaps for even less then that. Prolly you have to merch 90% of your golds because they won't sell anyways. (unlike the 80% now

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DivineEnvoy · Mar 25, 2008, 07:28 PM // 19:28

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Originally Posted by mr_groovy

So your telling me that if I want to get money in this game I should play the game? Ok tell me if you have all the titles you ever wanted, did all the quests you could do, and already did all the missions with your char. How do you earn money with that char? Do everyhing over again just for the sake of making money through playing the game?

Should one play elite-missions over again, and again and again?

What will happen to the market in a couple of months? When all the prices of all the new and shiney weapons are at mediocre lvl? How does one make enough money then? Perhaps you can sell your req 9 fully decked rare skin for 5k. Perhaps for even less then that. Prolly you have to merch 90% of your golds because they won't sell anyways. (unlike the 80% now

).

Just how much money do you need?

Stolen Souls · Mar 25, 2008, 07:31 PM // 19:31

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Originally Posted by mr_groovy

So your telling me that if I want to get money in this game I should play the game?

heh, yeah....how absurd, right?

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Ok tell me if you have all the titles you ever wanted, did all the quests you could do, and already did all the missions with your char. How do you earn money with that char?

Are we still talking about casual players here? or are we back to personal greed and wanting more, and wanting it faster? If we're still talking about casuals, I am confused. A casual player would never have, or hope to have, all of that. And if you need more money, you farm, like everyone else does...and make money...like everyone else does. >_>

Angelic Upstart · Mar 25, 2008, 07:34 PM // 19:34

When LS was introduced most if not all of the farmers just started soloing HM, same drops if not better than NM before LS.
I find it ironic, that there is so much hate for farmers, with people going on and on about farmers QQing because they cant make whatever k per hour..and even going so far as to brand them lazy lol.

Hello?

Most farmers are now rich enough to not have to farm they have their money and rares etc, for the most part pre LS just gave everyone the chance to earn a bit of cash, it didnt force anyone into farming 24/7.

Besides back in the day if you wanted anything you had to work a bit for it, now its given to people on a plate and still they moan .

creelie · Mar 25, 2008, 07:38 PM // 19:38

Mr. Groovy, congratulations on effectively finishing the game with your favorite character.

YOU DON'T *NEED* ANYTHING. If the only minigame left for you in GW is "Get Richer", and you don't want to powertrade (best moneymaker) or run (second best), then grab your farming equipment and suck it up, buttercup. You are not the target audience any more. You are not who the game caters to. That noob in mismatched collector armor standing beside you in Kamadan? The one trying to talk to your minipet? HE is the target audience. The game caters to HIM. Everybody else has been thrown a few shiny bones to keep busy with since they love the game too much to go elsewhere.

Willow O Whisper · Mar 25, 2008, 07:39 PM // 19:39

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Originally Posted by mr_groovy

So your telling me that if I want to get money in this game I should play the game? Ok tell me if you have all the titles you ever wanted, did all the quests you could do, and already did all the missions with your char. How do you earn money with that char? Do everyhing over again just for the sake of making money through playing the game?

Should one play elite-missions over again, and again and again?

What will happen to the market in a couple of months? When all the prices of all the new and shiney weapons are at mediocre lvl? How does one make enough money then? Perhaps you can sell your req 9 fully decked rare skin for 5k. Perhaps for even less then that. Prolly you have to merch 90% of your golds because they won't sell anyways. (unlike the 80% now

).

this guy got hang on something

merch fotter won't hurt the market but selling to many rares making them common will....

Loviatar · Mar 25, 2008, 07:42 PM // 19:42

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Originally Posted by mr_groovy

How do you earn money with that char? Do everyhing over again just for the sake of making money through playing the game?

if you are through with playing the game but still hang on to get more gold/epeen items that is sort of like the dog who chased the car and grabbed onto the bumper

*ive got it now what am i going to do with it?*

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Should one play elite-missions over again, and again and again?

only if it is fun and you want to

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What will happen to the market in a couple of months? When all the prices of all the new and shiney weapons are at mediocre lvl? How does one make enough money then? Perhaps you can sell your req 9 fully decked rare skin for 5k. Perhaps for even less then that. Prolly you have to merch 90% of your golds because they won't sell anyways. (unlike the 80% now

what will happen is a whole playerbase will have nice stuff and a tiny hardcore splinter elite group will join all the tiny splinters that have left before you going way back to the levelmonkeys/instant UAS groups

Creeping Carl · Mar 25, 2008, 07:42 PM // 19:42

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Originally Posted by Angelic Upstart

When LS was introduced most if not all of the farmers just started soloing HM, same drops if not better than NM before LS.
I find it ironic, that there is so much hate for farmers, with people going on and on about farmers QQing because they cant make whatever k per hour..and even going so far as to brand them lazy lol.

Hello?

No. People don't hate all farmers. People just hate the famers who want the whole system catered to them by removing LS.

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Originally Posted by Angelic Upstart

Most farmers are now rich enough to not have to farm they have their money and rares etc, for the most part pre LS just gave everyone the chance to earn a bit of cash, it didnt force anyone into farming 24/7.

That's bull. LS enables players to just play the game without farming and still earn some wealth. Pre-LS, pretty much anyone who wanted to buy non-fixed-priced items had to farm just to keep up with the inflated prices.

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Originally Posted by Angelic Upstart

Besides back in the day if you wanted anything you had to work a bit for it, now its given to people on a plate and still they moan .

That's idiotic. With that "logic" you could say anti-LS people like you are the ones moaning and "asking for things handed to them on a plate" by asking to remove LS, AKA. making it a lot easier for you to get loot.

MithranArkanere · Mar 25, 2008, 07:46 PM // 19:46

LS makes that no one gets more than with parties by soloing unless he does so in HM. And even in HM it is not so much more, just faster since all monsters will likely target a single character and die faster.

That's not bad. Farming now is not a requirement to get stuff. Just a little 'extra' for those with more time to spend.

cebalrai · Mar 25, 2008, 08:36 PM // 20:36

The solo farmers on here crying for no LS need to pop a ritalin. There's no longer instant crazy money. But it's *OKAY* because stuff is cheap now. It sounds like the whiners here want both crazy money and crazy cheap prices.

That's just... crazy...

LS is good for the game IMO...

Not to mention that the game should not allow players to run the hardest areas in the game with a single character. That was never the intent of the designers!

Lest121 · Mar 25, 2008, 08:45 PM // 20:45

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Originally Posted by DivineEnvoy

Just how much money do you need?

He's the type that needs to make enough money to show off in Guild wars, he wants to have FOW, rare weapons, high price mini pets, and stacks upon stacks of ectos, and even with all that he probably would cry to anet about something, some people will never be satisfy with what they have in this game.

Fril Estelin · Mar 25, 2008, 09:27 PM // 21:27

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Originally Posted by cebalrai

A poll wont tell you anything. People that would participate in it are in no way a representative cross-section of the GW community.

Regardless, good game design isn't a democratic decision.

Hint: online polls are at best misunderstood, at worse completely wrong. It's very easy to create accounts for pushing your agenda via a poll, I've seen it many times (even people rebooting their modems and attempting to take all the IP addresses their ISP is willing to give ...).

Yichi · Mar 25, 2008, 09:29 PM // 21:29

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Originally Posted by Willow O Whisper

hey why not put a poll up?

because a poll in this topic would be about as usefull as the soul reaping thread poll was. All it showed was a vast majority of people voting without a clue as to what they are really voting for.

mr_groovy · Mar 25, 2008, 09:29 PM // 21:29

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Originally Posted by underverse_ninja

He's the type that needs to make enough money to show off in Guild wars, he wants to have FOW, rare weapons, high price mini pets, and stacks upon stacks of ectos, and even with all that he probably would cry to anet about something, some people will never be satisfy with what they have in this game.

Wow You got me all figured out

Good job a+, genius.

I started this thread in the sole purpose of getting more E-peen, and stacks upon stacks of ecto's. To bad ecto's are already excluded from LS, and the drop rate wouldn't improve by removing it ...

I started this thread because one of the purposes of LS was to fight of botting, and gold companies. Now if rmt would work to diminish the gold spammers for 80% to 90%, would it then be fare to give back to the community, and let people earn there money more easy?

I've never even implied that it was only for farming purposes. Even while playing trough the game normally would earn you more money without LS.

creelie · Mar 25, 2008, 09:40 PM // 21:40

Mr Groovy, do you have statistical proof that insta-death-scaling exists? Because I am not convinced. And without this "IDS" LS has absolutely zero effect on players in parties.

"Everybody knows" doesn't count as proof. I don't want perceptions; I want numbers. In parties, solo, intervals between each mob death starting at <1 second and increasing to 60 seconds and beyond, repeated enough times enough ways to be statistically significant.

Otherwise, STFU and limit your argument to the real issue everyone is arguing about: LS makes solo farming suck, as was the plan. People who never solo farm are unaffected.

Fay Vert · Mar 25, 2008, 09:42 PM // 21:42

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Originally Posted by Creeping Carl

Why are people like you consistantly insisting that prices were lower before LS when they were NOT? They may have been lower than some points of GW's lifespan but they were NEVER lower than they have been since LS' implementation.

The so called "low" prices before LS were ridiculously high. If that's supposed to be low, then it's clear that something needed to be done to fix the inflated high prices.

This is ridiculous. I can see the same high profile farmers/traders whining about loot scaling. Anyone can clearly see it's based on greed.

Hmm, let me see now, because its true?

Prices for many things are lower post loot nerf, I never clainmed they weren't, though I will say that prices for minor runes and crafting materials are higher since the nerf,t hat is a direct result. The lower prices in general are certainly down to the over supply of golds/mods with the introduction of HM.

Prices just before the loot nerf were not just lower than "some point" they were lower than All POINTS. Price in GW were at record low levels and falling, with HM about to arrive, the prices we have today would be here without the nerf thank you very much, only common mats and minor runes would be even lower.

Only think I will gran is that the loot nerf caused a crash in the price of ectos from 8+ plat to 5 plat, that was because with the nerf, ecto farming became the only game in town for a long while. And on that, if you recall, teh price of ectos shot up on day one of the loot nerf because there was no excemption list. ANet had to react very quickly becuse the messed up big time here,t he excemption list was never planned, it was a reaction the the catastrophic meltdown of the economy and rampant inflation of some things that the loot nerf directly caused.

Prices prior to the nerf were not "ridiculously high" there were not so far from what we have now, relative tot he availability of gold, they were cheaper, certainly the cost of fixed price items were relatively much cheeper than now.

Interesting you lump farmers/traders in the same category, the farmers were never the rich people, sure they were well off, but the obscene rich were never the farmers. The obscene rich are still there, offering to pay 2-3000 ectos for a mini polar bear.

The loot nerf was the saviour of NOTHING in GW, but it sure messed a lot of fun up and removed a huge proportion of the replay value out of the game.

Angelic Upstart · Mar 25, 2008, 09:44 PM // 21:44

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Originally Posted by Creeping Carl

That's bull. LS enables players to just play the game without farming and still earn some wealth. Pre-LS, pretty much anyone who wanted to buy non-fixed-priced items had to farm just to keep up with the inflated prices.

Wrong

That's idiotic. With that "logic" you could say anti-LS people like you are the ones moaning and "asking for things handed to them on a plate" by asking to remove LS, AKA. making it a lot easier for you to get loot.

People like me ??

Do not assume that you know me.
Firstly mate i have more money weapons etc than i know what to do with ingame and with it also the boredom, i hardly play now, so dont go around with the notion that i am pissing and moaning about wanting 'phat loot' put on a plate..

Did you ever play GW before loot scaling ?